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Episode 167 – Questions & Answers – 4/25/2013

This week, Will and Norm discuss the SpaceX Grasshopper, the Antares rocket, Boston, and answer a heaping helping of your questions. Enjoy!

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24 thoughts on “Episode 167 – Questions & Answers – 4/25/2013

  1. Mythbusters did indeed test busting doors, but I believe it was with shooting the lock first which turned out to not work great with normal ammunition.

    If you guys are interested in busting down doors you might as well go whole hog and test home security.

  2. Liquids essentially are, again Mythbusters proved this on a handful of occasions, so maybe one should stack gallon-jugs of milk as a barrier? :p

    They tested both with and without shooting the lock. Jamie got through the door without damaging the lock first, if I remember correctly. Adam gave it a shot and fell on his ass after slipping on the carpet 🙂

  3. A pan is a static camera, turning left and right on the Y axis.

    Moving perpendicular to your POV, making a sideways strafing move on the X axis, is a ‘truck’ though I’ve always called it a track, which I probably shouldn’t as dollying forward and back is sometimes called a track.

  4. According to my sister (State Farm Insurance Agent) bullet holes would be covered, if you are renting a house, the landlords insurance would cover it and if any damage was done to your belongings in a house you are renting, your stuff should be covered under your renters insurance.

    With the kicking in doors, it is really tough, in the Marines, you are trained to kick doors in. You do not want to do a flying kick straight at the door. ( good way of blowing out a knee) What you want to do is called a “mule kick.” Your back to the wall adjacent to the door, on the same side that the knob is on. You want to kick backwards on the bottom of the door below the knob, and you want to follow through, kick all the way through trying to fully extend your leg, this is give you the most power in a safe way. Keep trying till the door gives.

  5. Also, unless the gun is a shotgun shooting bird shot, everything will go through a fridge. Fridges are heavy because of the the compressor, but the actual skin is a thin sheet of metal and some insulation and a lot of air. A cast iron bathtub might stop a pistol caliber, like a 9mm or a 45, big round, not really high velocity. But if a rifle, larger then a 22, it will probably go right through.

  6. Proactive or reactive; in my house, that’s a question of which weapon do I go for first: my revolver, my shotgun or a blade.

    Getting through a door, an interior door, isn’t that hard provided you’ve used supplied hardware because the screws they give you are pathetic. To prevent it, upgrade to a three inch screw into the strike plates so that you get into the 2 x 4 stud behind it.

  7. I think an interior door might be harder to break through since most of them are hollow and very thin. My thought is that your foot/leg would probably go through it.

    and all a thrust kick seems to work equally well for just breaking in, at least at my house. I foolishly locked myself out of my house when leaving for work one day in my 20s. I needed my keys to get to work and I didn’t leave myself nearly as much time as I currently do and I don’t think I always had my cell on me like I do now. So my panicked brain had me trying to shoulder down the door which only served to hurt my shoulder. Brain goes back to old TKD classes, which kick is going to be best for this task, thrust kick was popped into my head first, though a side kick would have probably worked just as well. Any kind of spin kick would have been the next go to. As such I do think both Will and Norm could break a door down because anyone can break a board with an elbow and this is essentially the kick version of that with kicks being harder because of targeting and your target is pretty large in this case.

    The exception would be if there was a steel frame, but really who has those on their houses except for drug dealers.

  8. Aside from the 1tb of cloud storage I have from my Google Pixel, I have an additional 264gb free storage spread out over a few different services.

  9. The Zombieland pilot was awful. I don’t understand why they recast the movie’s characters rather than just creating and following different characters in the same world. All these poor actors trying to do their best impression of the characters from the movie is painful to watch.

    They were doing any impression of those characters? Could have fooled me.

    Fucking bastards ruining my favorite movie ever 🙁

    The following is not written by a professional. Don’t bitch if it’s wrong.

    Also, in my Rifle Marksmanship Field Manual they talk about the effectiveness of cover like concrete walls and wood in terms of like, feet. So yeah, a fridge won’t stop a round, it just won’t. There’s a reason that it takes a lot to make bulletproof material. Lol. There’s a fuck load of energy being put into a very small area. Bullets are small. They are about half of the size most people think of, if even that. And something like a 9mm (which is a very small, cheap, and common round in the kinds of situations the guys were talking about, and I’m fairly certain is what most of what was used by the bad guys in Boston. Hopefully the good guys were careful enough with their rounds to put them down the street but they were almost certainly using M4s) is actually a round with a lot of energy, which is why the recoil is so significant. So a small, high energy round. In fact, over penetration can be a PROBLEM with rounds. Not the 9mm on live targets, but a body is a lot thicker and denser than most things in the way of bullets in a house. Including a freakin inch of mostly insulation.

    I think some law enforcement use rounds designed to reduce penetration though so there’s that to keep in mind. No idea how that actually performs in a situation like the one in Boston or if that’s just a figment of my imagination.

    Also, unless it’s an old ass fridge, it’s not that dense. It’s built to keep heat in, not to be tough. They are actually pretty flimsy.

    As for going up against multiple targets armed with firearms with a bat? Stupid, even if you’re a servicemember. You need a firearm. It’s so fucking easy to shoot after you have been smacked. Honestly, a proper disarm would be the safer option over blunt trauma Even a hard hit to the back of the head isn’t certain to prevent a shot going through your fuckin’ skull or gut.

    PS: if you want to disarm someone with a pistol, stand to their side in front of them, so that the shoulder of their gun hand is not facing towards any part of you. Then, grip the gun by the slide, and twist the gun towards the inside of the individual’s body, or in the same way their fingers curl around the gun. It’s pretty hard to hold on to a gun when you do that. Once you do that, yank and move the fuck back and get your finger on the trigger as quickly as possible, making sure to always keep the gun out of their reach and just shoot em if they try to get any closer. If you do it right, the gun will never point at you and the worst that’ll happen is you’ll get a nasty shock if the weapon is fired in your hand, assuming they aren’t using a .308 revolver or something. But that’s pretty unlikely. lol.

    If you want to be safe from armed invasions of your home, you need at least a pistol. 9mm handguns are pretty easy to store safely within reach, easy to control, and easy to learn. They also have a high round count which means accuracy isn’t essential although it is generally better to take half a second to line up the shot than hope you’ll land a random shot.

    As for kicking down a door, you want to kick right under the nob as close to the non-hinge thing as possible. And it’s not easy. You have to really fucking go into it. You may have seen a video of soldiers/Marines kicking down doors in the Middle East, but those are not like our doors.

    If you can’t get it that way, you do a donkey kick (face away, swing your foot back to “stomp” on the door surface, in the same place but lower. But if you’re kicking in a door, you A) want to be able to put your weight into the kick (not possible when kicking low) and B) never want to be facing away from the door. If an armed houseowner (or terrorist) is on the other side of the door waiting for you, you need to react quickly to that. But mostly, you can just put more force against the door if you kick higher, and that force will be going in the right direction. Maybe if you were like, laying down you could kick straight “down” (your down) and get a more effective breach, but that’s about the only way I can think of kicking low would benefit you. It’s pretty simple. A 90 degree angle is better to exert force than 30 would ever be. And you can put your hips into a kick near the nob, and your weight to stop your foot from rebounding.

  10. According to my sister (State Farm Insurance Agent) bullet holes would be covered, if you are renting a house, the landlords insurance would cover it and if any damage was done to your belongings in a house you are renting, your stuff should be covered under your renters insurance.

    With the kicking in doors, it is really tough, in the Marines, you are trained to kick doors in. You do not want to do a flying kick straight at the door. ( good way of blowing out a knee) What you want to do is called a “mule kick.” Your back to the wall adjacent to the door, on the same side that the knob is on. You want to kick backwards on the bottom of the door below the knob, and you want to follow through, kick all the way through trying to fully extend your leg, this is give you the most power in a safe way. Keep trying till the door gives.

    Huh, I know a few members of certain parts of certain services and they’ve always said that you should kick the way you say is “bad” because it makes a single kick much more effective and it’s easier to do in one go. Then Mule kick if that doesn’t work to get you out of the way because the bad guys know something is coming through that door. That said, I’ve seen Marines do it both ways, which I guess isn’t much of a surprise.

    For an interior door you should definitely not do this though. You’ll just put your leg through the freakin’ door (speaking from MULTIPLE personal experiences doing demo before renovations). Gotta put the force where the door is kept shut or you’ll end up with a leg stuck in a door instead of an open door. Unless it’s an older heavier duty door.

    I wouldn’t try anything but the mule kick on a front door that was made in the last 5 years though. I wouldn’t really want to try and kick it down at all, honestly. Most doors around my area feel like opening a freakin’ vault door lol. Maybe that’s unusual though.

    Kicking down doors is fun though, when you don’t end up stuck in it. Regardless of how you do it.

  11. Will, Norm, there’s no way either of you guys are busting down any doors yourselves.

    Also, that Zombieland pilot was fucking atrocious and was one of the worst things I’ve ever seen.

  12. Will’s advice on not reading every article on his top 5 or 6 websites seems a bit… dangerous to tell people. I mean Tested is one of my 5 or 6, and now I’m really rethinking my reading every article.

  13. I’ve seen people build boxes that can be stuffed with like 20 phone books, for use as target practice. They would then soak them to make sure the rounds didn’t go through.

    A round from a hunting rifle will go pretty far in tightly packed, wet layers of paper before stopping. I’d have to feel very confident in how packed those file-cabinets are before I’d trust them as cover. 🙂

  14. Mythbusters fired bullets right through several types of fridges in one episode.

    It should also be noted that they used low-calibre bullets as well. A basic Glock 9MM pistol was able to still fully penetrate through a fridge, and even an older-style lead fridge as well.

    In other words was giving some REAL terrible advice here.

  15. They had some cans of food and I think some OJ or milk in the fridge door shelves, and some other foodstuffs inside. If I could find a YouTube link to the episode or a clip from it I would post it, but I did find this instead:

    http://mythbustersresults.com/mini-myth-madness

    A refrigerator door can stop a spray of 9mm bullets.
    BUSTED
    The Build Team fired numerous 9mm bullets at a modern refrigerator door stocked with items commonly found in refrigerators. Every shot easily penetrated both the door and a block of ballistic gelatin placed behind it, indicating lethal impacts. The same result was achieved with a double-walled steel refrigerator door from the 1950s.

    Also, I didn’t mean to be so harsh as some kind of internet-fact-checking brigadier in my previous comment. Sorry about that. I just would hate to see you guys (or anyone) die because of the ever-so-slight chance of someone actually trying to hide behind a fridge for cover from bullets.

  16. That camera is rotating; tilt is the exact same thing as rotation, but with a limited range. The camera is rotating on the X-axis within a limited range and on the Y-axis with unlimited (it seemed like) range. If it were “tilting” its head from side to side, it would be rotating on the Z-axis.

    And Norm is right: Panning is changing position, not rotation.

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