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Real Chapter Headings – Still Untitled: The Adam Savage Project – 9/13/16

Look who’s back! Adam and Norm both return from extended trips this week and catch Will up on their travels. Adam talks about his cross country road trip with his kids and Norm teases some of his and Joey’s arctic adventures. It’s good to be home!

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  1. My wife and I took a road trip from Cleveland to San Francisco back in 2004. It was our last epic trip before we moved in together. Went northern route through Chicago (great town), to South Dakota. Echo Adam’s comments on the brilliance of Mt. Rushmore, but it was wild caving in Wind Cave that I’ll remember the rest of my life. You’ve never lived until you’ve gone through a total blackout in a cave deep below ground. From there was a life changing set of days in Yellowstone and Grand Teton – through to Craters of the Moon in Idaho. At CotM, we got caught in a thunderstorm with lightning strikes hitting mere hundreds of feet away. Walked away unscathed – though the rangers did wryly smiled at us on our way out. 4th of July fireworks in Elko Nevada before a Tahoe to San Francisco run.

    My love affair with National Parks/Monuments was rooted in this trip. I resolved to visit as many as I could – up past 100 now. But most of all, it may be one of the most cherished weeks ever with my wife. I can’t wait to take our son across country soon!

  2. Great to see you guys back! Thanks for another great podcast!

    Last year, my wife and I decided the drive the Trans Canada highway in two separate legs from one coast to the other. We live in Winnipeg, so the first leg we drove from Vancouver to Winnipeg, and then when I had a little more time off work, we drove from Winnipeg to Charlottetown, PEI, where her family is from. That was a heck of a lot of driving and we listened to a lot of podcasts and holy smokes we live in a gorgeous country! Some time if we ever get a chance, we would really like to drive to the west coast and down to California (provided the dollar gets a little better!) and check out the Bay Area.

    Side note, if you ever get the chance, Prince Edward Island is one of the most gorgeous places I have ever been to with some of the most spectacular places to eat some incredible seafood. Check out Point Prim Chowder House and you’ll see what I mean!

  3. Close Encounters and Apollo 13 are two movies that I cannot walk away from, no matter at what point I catch it on TV. It absolutely holds up

  4. My youngest just got his driver’s license today. I’ve had the opportunity to see most of the country, drove with my folks and a brother-in-law from Punta Gorda Belize to Pullman Washington, but I’ve yet to be to Alaska, California, or Hawaii.

    Yes, the road trip is a dying art, but one worth reviving!


  5. Lol, talking about photos, where’s that picture with the polar bear you’re talking last time with Norm? Adam could try to remake his bear cosplay as a polar one just to make it more realistic(?). And talking about huge places, that reminds me Tepuyes from here in Venezuela, I mean, really huges squared mountains(?) I don’t know how to express it in english… but anyway, it’s great to have you back!

  6. I vaguely remember taking the train from upstate New York to Sacramento when I was around 9. The only things I really remember are seeing the Cleveland Brown Stadium and the lady in the next seat over teaching me to play “Crazy Eights.” Yet for some reason, I still smile fondly when I think of the trip.

    This summer my wife and I drove home from Dallas to Sacramento, stopping at Meteor Crater, Grand Canyon, and 2 days in Zion. It was fabulous. Driving into Zion on 9 from the west, was absolutely amazing.

    One of these days I should probably try to visit Yosemite.

  7. Wait, wait, wait! No more details about Norm getting stuck on the ski lift? Why did you get stuck? How did it end? Now I’m left in doubt!

  8. Two road trips come to mind for me. After high school graduation, 2 friends and I stocked up supplies piled into a 2 door Rambler and camped our way from northern Pennsylvania to Williamsburg Virginia, thru the Blue Ridge Mountains along SkyLine Drive and down to Myrtle Beach for 3 weeks. The car only had an AM radio so it was 8 tracks like Aerosmith Toys in the Attic and Pink Floyd Dark Side of the Moon for us. We experienced history, beauty, the amazing ocean and a bad sun burn for the ginger in the group.. Felt like a coming of age movie.

    Trip 2 was spent mostly in the back of a pick-up truck from Pennsylvania to Denver Colorado for a wedding. Having only traveled the eat coast growing up, seeing the country flatten out after Ohio and then seeing the Rockies rise up in front of us was truly amazing. Driving thru America’s Breadbasket really gives you a sense of just how big this country is and where some of the food staples we often take for granted come from. The wedding rehearsal dinner was held in Golden Colorado at a place that overlooked Denver. I will never forget standing in the waning sunshine and watching a small storm appearing over Denver and seeing the numerous lightning strikes on downtown buildings. We visited the Coors Brewing plant before we left and felt a little like Smokey and the Bandit bringing a couple of cases of Coors back east with us.

  9. Hey, the band is back together. Welcome back guys. Just burned through The Expanse this past weekend. It’s really great. Jealous of Adam’s visit to the set.

  10. My road trip this summer: Halifax to Calgary, 5137km across Canada. Made it in 85 hours, four 15 hour days on my own. Was rocking my 1986 Tercel, slept in it each night. Last summer I did the reverse trip, stopping at some tourist stuff, so this time I just cruised home. So much fun, and so gorgeous to watch the terrain change as the day progresses, as Adam said.

  11. Not to be a stickler about details…as a native of Colorado….lots of references to altitude…particularly regarding the Rocky Mountains and in particular the Continental Divide….It’s MUCH higher than 5000 feet…:-)

  12. My first real road trip was midway through my college career, when I was i *think* 19. (i’ve long been real bad at remembering when things happened to me, only that they did).

    I flew from Texas to Seattle, where I met my Grandmother who had driven up from California, and we road-tripped across Washington, then up through British Columbia, the corner of Yukon Territory, and into Alaska, ending up at Valdez Alaska after about 10 days. Sadly, we spent those 10 days learning that we don’t get along well enough to road trip together, and rather than spend the entire summer arguing with my Grandmother, I booked a flight on the sole airline serving Valdez, on a plane that seated maybe 20 people, and flew to Anchorage, and ultimately home. That flight to Anchorage has to be the high point of travel in my life, as it is a short flight, but it goes up and over mountains with glaciers that has to be the most beautiful sight I have ever seen. I took that flight July 5th, and at least that year, there where lakes of pure melted ice on TOP of the glaciers, the most perfect shade of crystal blue, contrasting with the chocolate milk water running out from under the glaciers, mixing with the dark cold blue of the ocean. Truly breathtaking.

  13. 1) Great podcast. -found myself getting a little chocked up when Adam was talking about that life moment he was sharing with his sons. Sounds like a great trip! Thanks you for sharing! I can’t wait to hear about Norms adventures!

    2) Close Encounters – same boat. I hadn’t watched that in YEARS. We had an old VHS tape of it that my dad taped off TV – ya know – the kind where he saves tape by pausing during the commercials. Anyway, he must not have taped the first ten minutes because I had no clue about the flight 19 opening or the air traffic control scene…just BAM straight to Munice, Indiana. You can imagine my delight when I re-watched the blue-ray a few months back. The ending makes a little more sense now.
    Any chance of getting an unauthorized commentary for us premiums?

  14. My family did an annual car summer road trip from the time I was eight until 18. I can relate to many of Adam’s stories. I spent time (slept over night, ate food) in nearly every state in the lower 48 states in the US, Canada and Mexico. There is no experience quite like it. Adam gave his sons an amazing gift. In college and later, I continue to traveling by car – being the driver makes a big difference. The US is totally awesome.

    My suggestions…

    – stay away from commerical ventures (e.g., Disney, other theme parks, Las Vegas). I have never been to any of the Disney parks but I have been to dozens of national, state and local parks and watched a space launch. Stay away from anything fake.

    -plan a trip but give yourself time to pursue a side trip that you have discovered along the road. Get lost. In the process of being lost, I spent time watching a little league game in Conn. Hung out with parents, amazing.

    -take appropriate tour books, seek locals for suggestions. We sought out places to eat using the Roadfood Book. Later, we used books like Let’s Go and Lonely Planet.

    -take time and volunteer.

    ps Adam may like this. Of the six kids in my family, I was the one who got car sick. I ended up ruining the new car smell of two cars in my family. Getting sick was never a distraction. Dramamine became my friend.

  15. Both of my parents where teachers and most years, my dad would teach summer school so we wouldn’t have long trips however in back to back years when I was 14 and 15, we did 2 long summer road trips.

    The first year my parents and I packed up the Ford Taurus went from western PA to Arizona. On the way out we headed south down the Appalachians stopped a few places here and there, I remember doing Lincoln’s birthplace and Mammoth National Parks. From there we made a run out the 4 corners area and did a bunch of parks out there: Mesa Verde, Canyon De Chelly, Petrified Forest, Grand Canyon, Bryce Canyon, Zion. When we were driving across the country we stayed in hotels, but at the National Parks we camped in a tent. We also went down to Phoenix. I remember going to a arboretum/desert garden there. We also visited Frank Lloyd Wright’s Taliesen West. On the way home we drove north from Arizona up to Denver. Unfortunately, we were running out of time and were unable to do any of the parks in the Denver area. From Denver we headed east and drove through the most boring flat part of the US. It was impressive to see that much flat. I was a big difference compared to growing up in a place that is nothing but rolling hills and trees… but boring as can be.

    The next year, my parents, my mother’s parents, and I drove from western PA to Alaska! The 5 of us all piled into my grandparents RV and headed out. I remember stopping at Mount Rushmore, but I don’t know if we did the Badlands or not. We headed north up to Edmonton, from there we caught the Alaska-Canadian (alcan) Highway and drove that most of the way to Alaska. At some point, we got off the aclan highway and headed even further north to Dawson in the Yukon Territories. I remember crossing the Yukon River on a ferry in the RV and from there driving the Top of the World highway to Tok, Alaska. When we crossed into the US. Only the Canadian border guard was there. The US guy was down in the US somewhere doing some training. So the Canada guy was up there by himself with only his dog for company. So he he was excited to see. He stopped everyone not to search vehicles but to talk to everyone. We went to Fairbanks, Denali, Anchorage, down the Kenai peninsula to Homer, we road the gold mining railroad in Seward, and took a boat to the end of a glacier from Valdez. I also remember when we were staying Valdez, we were camping next to an old pier and one night we here this loud racket coming from outside. We all stumble outside at 2 in the morning and there was a Bald Eagle sitting on an old pier post with a fish in 1 talon and fighting off 2 ravens with the other. We all stood there in shock nobody thought about grabbing a camera.

    Both trips were amazing and wonderful. I got to experiance and see so much of the US from just those 2 trips. But the Alaska trip will always be special to me. To get to see those places with my parents and more importantly with my grandparents will always be something that I cherish. On a sorta of strange aside, I got to visit the 2 schools that my father did his graduate work at, University of Arizona and the University of Alaska, so that was pretty neat too.

  16. Ok, full-stop, this episode was just…… joyous. It was great to not only to see the original “Three Musketeers” back together, but for the topics to involve everybody in a touching way.

    1. Presentation – yes, please let us know what changes you have made to the camera/lens/lighting. This episode was gorgeous with color and depth of field.

    2. Close Encounters – Amazing movie and I highly recommend the Blu-Ray version and the feature-length “Making Of” documentary is worth the price alone. I was 10 when the movie came out and remember seeing it vividly. Now I need to schedule a CE3K party (again) at my house.

    3. Norm’s ski-lift story was great.

    4. The episode’s focus on the true beauty of the USA and the National Parks was fantastic. Absolutely one of the best things our government has done in the history of the USA was to establish the National Parks system.

    5. Road Trips – Adam’s “artificial chapter headings” versus “real chapter headings” analogy was the perfect centerpiece for this episode. I immediately recalled two epic road trips in my life: The first was a planned camping trip in the Smokey Mountains that turned into staying in luxury hotels along East Coast beaches when I was in college and the other was helping a friend move to California from North Carolina via the southern Route 66 path. So many nice memories and DEFINITELY “real” chapter stops.

    All in all a great, and awesomely-produced episode. I look forward to the updates from the Arctic trip.

  17. I was lucky to inherit the same road born wanderlust from both of my parents Although seemingly a disaster, a trip around our home state of CO at the same age as your boys cemented my own love of the road trip. Both my brother and I nearly amputated one of our own fingers, me first in the seconds before the trip on a broken glass, and him at the end in the door jamb of the car, there were pervy hotels, bears in our campsite, and even a closed national park, and that’s not even the memorable parts. We didn’t take many pictures then but won’t forget seeing so much of what, now years later, is a small part of the great big country we live in, and wondering what else the rest looked like.

    I never pass up a chance to take a long drive, even locally because of that trip. Devil’s Tower is still one place I haven’t been, can’t wait to get there myself one day soon.

    Thanks, welcome back, and I’m looking forward to hearing about Norm’s trip.

  18. My wife and I recently got back from a round trip from Oakland to Aspen. We had done the trip in the winter on I-80, but since we didn’t have to worry about road conditions this time, we took route 50. What they say about the section through Nevada being lonely is certainly true. It’s surreal being out in the vast openness and not seeing any other cars in sight.

    I had just finished reading Three Body Problem at my wife’s recommendation, so we decided to listen to The Dark Forest during our trip. Hearing the teardrop scene while feeling like I was endlessly driving into the abyss gave me an immense feeling of insignificance and awe. Needless to say, I’m very excited for the Dark Forest spoilercast.

    Thanks for the great podcast!

  19. One of the most memorable road trips I made was when me and a couple of my closest friends went to Normandy, France for the 60th anniversary of D-Day. I live in Sweden so it’s like a 4500 kilometers drive round trip (or about 2800 miles for those of you not using the metric system).

    The trip had a quite dramatic start as one of the two cars we were driving hit a deer after only a few kilometers of driving so we were forced to stop at a workshop to have it repaired. The whole front left fender was bent out of shape and the head light was busted so not very safe to drive when you have thousands of miles ahead of you. And because it was like 4am in the morning there were no workshops open yet so we drove with a busted car for about 300km’s, then waited for an hour or so for the workshop to open, and then for a couple for hours more for them to repair the car.Careful planning can never account for random stuff…
    So, delayed for hours we finally got on our way and continued on a ferry over to Denmark and then onwards to Rødby in the southern parts of Denmark, where we took another ferry to Puttgarden in Germany. After driving for quite a while through Germany we ran in to a massive traffic jam due to road construction work so we were forced to change our route and drive parts of the way through Belgium and Netherlands and then finally into France, where we among other things paid a visit to Normandy American Cemetery & Memorial, La Cambre German War Cemetery, not far from the town of Bayeux.

    We also saw sites like St. Mere Eglise (where an American paratrooper named John Steele got stuck with his parachute canopy on the pinnacle of the church tower), Pointe Du Hoc, Pegasus Bridge and the Longues-Sur-Mer gun batteries.

    We also got to travel on Omaha beach in a Swedish military vehicle (that a friend of a friend brought with him to France) on June 6th, 60 years after D-Day to the day, among the remains of ;Mulberry Harbor Bridge (yes, quite a few of the large, hollow concrete blocks are still there on the beach). On various places on the boardwalk there are signposts that mark the location of the sectors the beach was divided into (like Sector Charlie and Sector Dog Green. For those of you that have seen ‘Saving Private Ryan’ you may remember these). On that day they also made a simulated landing in period correct uniforms. Not on Higgins boats but on more modern British landing crafts. All escorted by Spitfires and Lancaster bombers.

    It was quite an emotional trip as we met many war veterans there.

  20. “just to be clear” Black Hills is not a national park. There are some national parks inside of it, and some national forest area, but there is still a bitterness about the land being illegally seized from the Sioux, who refused a monetary settlement from the government and live nearby in one of the poorest counties in the country. (and are now protesting an oil pipeline)

  21. This podcast has me recalling all the trips we took across the country. Many were just my dad and myself. We toured factories where they stamped out stainless sink basins, shops that sculpted prototypes (13% bigger as vitreous china shrinks), and various test labs.

    I remember every song we played in the car.

    Definitely big chapter headings. I inherited his shop 15 years ago and I’m grateful for all that time together on the road.

    Your trip sounds amazing Adam. Your sons will never forget it.

    Thanks for posting great shots throughout.

    *Unrelated: I have a story about the mother ship from Close Encounters on display at National Air and Space museum at Hazy. Sorry I can’t post it publicly as I don’t want to get any of my Smithsonian friends in trouble. It is an astounding museum either way.

  22. When I was 17, I went on a trip to New England from Pittsburgh with my parents. That was our only plan, to go to New England. We didn’t have any itinerary planned or hotel reservations at all. It was our best vacation ever. We just drove around up there stopping to see whatever looked interesting like antique stores, historic sites and great restaurants. At one point, we decided we wanted to visit every state in New England. When trying to decide on a place in Maine, we picked Kennebunkport. George Bush was president at the time (the first one) We joked the whole time we were there that we were going to go have dinner with George and Barbara. At one antique store where we stopped, my mom asked me if I was ready to meet Barbara. I said yes, so she told me to walk down the next isle. There was Barbara Bush, pearls and everything, surrounded by secret service looking for a fan to place in front of her fireplace. She smiled and nodded at me as I walked by.

  23. well, germany isn’t that big, so we don’t usually get that specific combination of multi-day roadtrip and meet-your-own-country. but for a good few years, my father and i had a ritual of spending a week of summer vacation near munich. we have some relatives we barely get to see down there, munich’s always offering something (and doesn’t feel like a big grey city that much, which contributes big time to finding it bearable for a week), and the area around munich is gorgeous. the alps are just visible in good weather, there’s lakes, beautiful lakeside small towns & villages, cozy restaurants to sit outside of, under big trees… just what you need when you spent half a day in a city.

    the few hours drive (yes, autobahn ;)) there and back again, and the first stop at a relative’s in munich really illustrated growing up. first, the drive was a big swamp of boredom for a small kid, having to sit still for a few hours, and having to wait for the vacation proper to start. arrival meant a lot of hellos and sitting by and listening to the grown-ups talk until it was time for the kid talk. over time, the drive itself became more interesting, looking at maps, navigating in the city, making sure we always have good radio reception to stay informed about traffic jams, things like that. at about the same time, how i could talk to people and how people talked to me changed to include some substance. the end point, of course, was me driving and my father doing navigation, and being able to take part in the complete welcome chitchat. it’s amazing how much difference the small things make, like being the person who can report where we found a parking spot because you were the person driving, when you haven’t been able to take part in that conversation that way before.

    maybe these small things are worth remembering every once in a while, because they marked such big steps at one time, and now they’re just par of the course.

  24. I don’t like driving, and I get car sick. But I love to travel by train. You can either look out the window for hours or keep busy. I sketch a lot when I am trains and often come up with my best ideas like this.

    So I have a few fun memories from travelling through Europe when I was in my 20’s. Nowadays I tend to use planes more often as they are a lot cheaper by now. Which is actually pretty sad and not terribly good for the environment…

    On a side note I’ve been passing time between podcasts by watching the old videos of Norm and Will building lego… Anything to keep my mind busy while I draw. I still have a few hours to watch (help!) 🙂

  25. I recall Adam talking about Mythbusters switching to the Black Magic family of cameras in their last year or so, and their specs would certainly account for these results. Of course, it could be something else, but since Adam is loyal to his support team, that would be my guess.

    But a video showing the tech of the podcast, to include editing and a few good stories (they have had some big problems over the years) would be well-received by the tested audience, I am guessing.

  26. My now wife and I went on a 3 month, 12000 mile roadtrip around the country after graduating from college. Smart phones we not an everyday item yet and all navigation was done by paper map. We saw so many beautiful things and met so many interesting people but most importantly it gave us two Real Chapter Headings: moving from NYC to Chicago a few months after returning and getting married 6 years later.

    This episode really struck a chord with me as travel and roadtripping specifically still play a central role in our lives. I’ll leave you with a quote we saw on our cross country adventure at a roadside stop in New Mexico which goes with everything said in this episode: “There ought to be a law against anyone going to Europe until they had seen the things we have in this country.” – Will Rogers

  27. I never suggest doing this kind of drive, but when I graduated college I was moving to were my parents were at that time living, Las Vegas, to figure out where I needed to be, so a life stop. But I was at the time in Boston. A buddy came with me and we drove from Boston to NYC to Hyde Park to Rochester to Las Vegas in 51 hours. We were low on time and money. I would never suggest this.

  28. I just wanted to start off with… This video looks so good, are you guys using a new type of camera?

    I honestly can’t wait to road trip your amazing country! I have been lucky enough to drive a small portion of my home country (Australia) and New Zealand. Both were fast trips (not much sign seeing) but I am so amazed how beautiful landscapes are from a car point of view. 🙂

  29. Growing up in the 90’s we had plenty of money to fly, but we rarely did. We always took road trips!

    My father had a long stretch of having multiple successful careers at the same time and one of them was that he ran a travel information center and loved to help at the front desk. Until I moved out of the house, we easily went on at least 3-5 road trips a year in addition to an bi-annual flight trip. Before portable devices and the gps, my dad was the only one in the vehicle who knew where we were going and it was so exciting.

    My older brother, little sister, and I would pile in to our maroon 1994 Chevy conversion van at the butt crack of dawn with our pillows and blankets in hand, lay down the back bench seat, and wake up half way to wherever we were going this time. Taking turns on the the television wasn’t the worst thing to wait for. Taking in the landscapes was part of the trip, and even as kids, we all thoroughly enjoyed it.

    Once we made it to our destinations, most would say we had already had a full vacation after stopping at many cities and sites in between home and the finish line. The destinations almost always became a resting point before turning around and taking a different interesting way home. Single day trips, weekend trips, and week long trips were my childhood and I honestly can remember nearly everywhere I have been.

    As Johnny Cash used to say – “I’ve been everywhere man!”

    Today my parents have an empty nest and still take road trips, but have upped it to about once every other month!

  30. Love the love for road trips.

    I’ve driven from Texas to Alaska in a sedan and from Alaska to Virginia in a ridiculous conversion van dubbed the HMS Indefatigable (disclaimer – did the inside passage ferry for the AK to VA trip. Still counting it). I have a deep appreciation for the scope and scale of the north American landscape that I don’t think can be achieved any other way. But…. I have to say that I really flagged in the centre states!

  31. Oh, I love the cross-country road trips. I did several with my family as a kid and now as an adult my mom and I do a two to three-week road trip every couple of years. While the country we live in is full of absolutely fabulous things to see what makes the trips special is that I’m doing them with my mom.

    It may seem strange for someone in their late 30’s to travel with their mom, she’s actually the most compatible travel companion I’ve ever had. Ultimately, we’re just two single women exploring the world, building a fantastic relationship, and having a glorious time.

    Generally, the only known things about our trips is what day we’re leaving and what day we’re getting back in town. We know what direction we’re heading and have a rough trip mapped out, but if we decide we want to spend an extra night or two at one location we do. Sometimes we decide the day we spent there was enough. We add stops that weren’t on our rough trip outline and we drop things that were.

    And we always have an atlas and road maps. There’s something about bringing them into the hotel room at night, spreading them out on one of the beds and figuring out where to go next that’s completely fantastic.

    Last year’s trip started when I flew into Seattle and met up with my mom, took us down the Oregon coast into Redwood National Park, over to Lassen Volcanic, back up into Oregon, over to Craters of the Moon in Idaho before finishing in Boise where I flew home. So much fun.

  32. First, thanks so much for a great episode of Still Untitled! This was what I needed today!

    Next year is the year for our first true road trip! We live in Ohio and We have taken many long vacations to Florida, east coast, and a few others, but early next summer we are planning on going West and hitting many of the NP’s that Adam and his boys visited. I keep a large wall map on the wall and spend several hours a week studying and visualizing where we are going and mapping out possible routes. My son really wants to go to area 51, so it looks like it will be a two week trip to see everything we want to.

  33. Just went back and listened to this. Adam, I love all of the stops that you took on your roadtrip! I live in Boise and used to live in the Black Hills, so it was really fun to hear how you and your sons went to all of those places that I love! Roadtrips are the best!

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