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Living with Technology: Two Mice for One Desktop PC

What would drive a man to use two mice for one computer?

You might think that I’d  have multiple systems in my lab that I use. You’d be wrong. I do have multiple systems in my basement lab, but when it comes to actually using a system, I use one system most often. I often refer to it as my “production” system, but that’s a misnomer. It’s true I write articles on the system, but I also use it for a multitude of other purposes.
 
One of those purposes is PC gaming. Every couple of years, I think to myself: “Self, you should have a separate system just for gaming.” Since I only have time for games a few hours a week, having a system for gaming and another for working would actually be more efficient. I could use a fairly low power system, so the thinking goes, for writing. The gaming system, which would have the big graphics cards, boatloads of memory and high end CPU, would be turned off when I’m not using it. That would, in theory, save me lots of power. Heck, I could even use a laptop as the main production system.

I try this, and it lasts until I load up a memory card with 500 raw images, and then try to process them – which usually involves a lot of waiting… and waiting. So the beefy gaming system ends up as my main system once again. 
 
That means I’m resigned – if that’s the right word – to having a high end system as my main system. Better to have too much power than too little. As CPUs and graphics cards have become more power efficient, I no longer feel like I’m sucking infinite kilowatts from my wall outlet. Bear in mind that I’ve got a Core i7 965, running at 3.3GHz, 12GB of RAM and two Radeon HD 5870 graphics cards. But my power supply is a Seasonic 750W unit, rated 80+ gold for efficiency. I could probably get by with a 650W if need be.
 
By now, you’re probably thinking: “What does all this have to do with mice?”
 
The problem with mice today is that most mice – even high end ones – suck as gaming mice. On the other hand, gaming mice tend to be too finicky and have too many knobs and levers for everyday use. That’s been my experience at any rate. In addition, I like using cordless mice. Any self-respecting gamer with a high ranking on any online ladder will tell you cordless mice suck for gaming.
 
My solution is to have two mice. Both are actually cordless, but one of them actually doesn’t suck for gaming.
 
My main mouse for daily use is a Logitech Performance MX mouse. This is the latest iteration of their high end cordless mouse. Ostensibly, it can be used for gaming, and even has two switchable DPI settings. In practice, it’s a little too bulky and heavy for extended gaming. I initially noticed this with first person shooters, but RTS games which require a lot of clicking and mouse movements gets tiring, too.

The second mouse is also cordless – but it’s designed for gaming. It’s a Razer Mamba. For a cordless mouse, it’s light, though not as light as some of Razer’s corded rodents, since it does have a battery. But it’s substantially lighter and more airy feeling than the Logitech. The Mamba also looks like a frickin’ work of art, especially when it’s mounted on its charging stand. In fact, the Mamba ships in the most ridiculous, over the top packaging I’ve ever seen for a PC peripheral.

It also has more switchable DPI settings, which makes it flexible for a wide array of games. You can set the five switchable DPI settings to your own preferences.

So why not just use the Mamba for everyday use? First, to make it lighter, Razer uses a custom Lithium Ion battery, which is small. So if you forget to turn it off, the battery lasts about two days, tops. You have to connect a USB cable if you want to use it while charging; otherwise, you have to store it on its ridiculously elaborate charging stand. This charging stand requires too much hand-eye coordination to attach the mouse. It’s all too easy to either just miss the contacts – in which case, the mouse doesn’t charge – or have the mouse slide off entirely.

The two day battery life is actually an improvement over the initial release. Razer released a firmware update that supposedly improved battery life. (As an aside: does anyone else think it’s weird having to update the firmware for a mouse?) The Logitech MX uses a single, rechargeable AA NiMH battery. I keep a bunch of these in chargers for other devices, so when the MX runs out of juice, I just swap in a freshly charged battery.

Secondly, even after fiddling with the DPI settings, I just didn’t like using it for Photoshop and any other productivity app that requires picking out individual pixels or small areas. It’s the shape, more than anything. The Logitech MX feels more natural for normal, office style apps. The Mamba feels better for gaming.

So I have two mice, one for gaming, another for everyday use. Even I’ll admit that’s a baroque solution to a fairly trivial problem. I know excellent gamers who still use the Dell two button mouse packaged with their system.

As you’re reading this, you might wonder if I’m insane enough to use two keyboards, too. Actually, I tried that, using several wired gaming keyboards that were supposedly more responsive and offered less lag than my everyday keyboard, with is a Logitech Cordless Wave Pro. But in the end, I gave up on that. The second keyboard just got in the way, and I didn’t find the extra millisecond or two of lag to really be a problem. In the era when most games are designed around console controller lag anyway, using a cordless keyboard isn’t a big deal – as long as I keep the USB receiver within two or three feet of the keyboard.

Also, no one makes an ergonomic gaming keyboard. The Wave is something of a compromise for me, although typing on it is generally a pleasure. I keep wondering if I want to go back to my Microsoft Natural Ergonomic Keyboard 4000. But that’s a topic for another day.
Tomehon Sept. 2, 2010 at 1:51 a.m.
I use a Mamba, it's nice.
AlwaysBeClothing is online on Sept. 2, 2010 at 2:05 a.m.
I'm too simple (or perhaps ignorant) to change from my mouse.  I use a plain old $10-20 microsoft standard mouse that serves me for gaming and daily use.  I don't find the lack of DPi to be a problem since I usually play on low sensitivity regardless.  Although, I do have an xbox 360 controller that I use to play non-fps games which might mitigate my mouse issues somewhat. 
 
Very enthralling article Mr. Case,  I couldn't stop reading till the very end!
stenchlordon Sept. 2, 2010 at 4:24 a.m.
Razer Mamba and Microsoft Sidewinder X8 here. I like having two mice myself.
Jadeskyeon Sept. 2, 2010 at 5:19 a.m.
i've been toying with a mamba purchase for a while.
simianon Sept. 2, 2010 at 5:21 a.m.
I'd kill to just have a mouse. No wait scratch that, first I'd want a desk to use it on first.
For a year plus I've been living only through the graces of my netbook and media center and I long for days where all my navigation wasn't done through touchpads.
JeffreyGeeon Sept. 2, 2010 at 6:42 a.m.
Deathadder and Lycosa  
 
Need a decent mousepad though; Goliathus is in the mail. lol
DragonBloodthirstyon Sept. 2, 2010 at 7:49 a.m.
One minute you're saying you want a completely separate high end system for gaming, then you think just having two mice instead is extravagant?  Your logic astounds me.
TheClapon Sept. 2, 2010 at 8:07 a.m.
I've been using a slick Logitech mouse that has been perfect for 3 years. It is starting to hitch up at inopportune times lately.
SupeRavenon Sept. 2, 2010 at 8:27 a.m.
I use two mice as well. I use an Logitech MX Revolution for daily tasks and a Logitech G5 Mk.II (thats the one with 2 thumb buttons). SetPoint (with UberOptions) has made this setup pretty convenient. Both are always plugged in, I just keep the unused mouse off pad.
JokerSmilezon Sept. 2, 2010 at 8:49 a.m.
I also have 2 mice. 
 
I have the same Logitech Performance MX for everyday use. It's probably the best mouse I've ever used, overall. The only issue I have with it is the wheel sucks as a third mouse button, so I set the thumb button, under the 2 side buttons as my "middle click". 
 
I also have a Logitech G5 wired gaming mouse for gaming. I still can't bring myself to use wireless mouse for gaming, and I like having the options of swapping weights. I thought it was a kind of trivial before I had the G5 but since I play most games like Starcraft, the ability to dial in the most comfortable weight (not too light, not too heavy) is a nice feature. 
 
I used to use the G5 as my main mouse for a long time, but since my main computer is a laptop, I was sick of having a corded mouse all the time. I'm really glad I picked up the MX because it's such a better mouse for everyday use and free-wheel design is something I don't know I could live without now that I've tried it.
mkonjion Sept. 2, 2010 at 9:03 a.m.
 "I’ve got a Core i7 965, running at 3.3GHz, 12GB of RAM and two Radeon HD 5870 graphics cards..." 
 
i own a overclocked intel core i7 980x extreme six core processor (4.0GHz, 12MB cache), dual 2GB GDDR5 ATI radeon HD 5970 crossfirex enabled, 12GB triple channel 1600MHz DDR3, 
512GB Raid 0 2x 256GB samsung SSD HDDs, Blue-ray/burner...
 
for some1 talking about a mice, i don't know why you had to tell every1 your pc specs. I guess it wont hurt telling every1 mine too :). love your two mouses though ^^
peace :P
loydcase staff on Sept. 2, 2010 at 9:52 a.m.
@DragonBloodthirsty:  What does logic have to do with any of this? ;-)
loydcase staff on Sept. 2, 2010 at 9:55 a.m.
@JeffreyGee:  I didn't mention mousepads. That's a good point. I'm currently using a Func 1030 Surface, mostly because it's the largest pad that fits neatly on my keyboard tray. But I do like the feel of it.
MisterMouseon Sept. 2, 2010 at 11:22 a.m.
I used an Apple Magic mouse for normal browsing and normal work ( i like how it scrolls while searching the web) and for gaming I use a Razer DeathAdder, I use a single computer for both functions but it has worked out pretty well so far.
AndrewBon Sept. 2, 2010 at 11:30 a.m.
I've never had a problem using non-"gaming" mice for gaming since way back in the day of using an analog trackball mouse to play competitive multiplayer online games like Counter-Strike. 
 
My first step up into the world of optical mice was a Logitech iTouch. The world's first and perhaps only touch-feedback mouse which never quite caught on (though I thought it was pretty rad). My next purchase was the first Logitech laser mouse, the MX1000, which I'm using to this day for everything I do on my desktop PC. 
 
None of these mice were touted as gaming mice, yet they've served me quite well. I even own a gaming mouse from Cooler Master that came free with a case I bought recently, but I haven't opened it and plan to sell it (really need to get on that...). I just don't see the point of more than 3 buttons on a mouse when a game should be designed in such a way that your typical 2-buttons and a scroll wheel/basic keyboard computer user should do just fine. I also don't need nor want any more ridiculous LED lights flashing off of everything I own. 
 
The only thing in my setup I would even think about replacing is my keyboard. It's the keyboard from the Logitech S510 bundle, and while the included mouse is pure junk, the keyboard is perfect except for one thing: no LED backlit keys. I may have just decried LEDs, but I do need them in my keyboard because I tend to do a lot of nighttime work and wouldn't necessarily need to have extra lights on in my workspace if I could see my keyboard keys in the dark. 
 
But I digress...
will staff on Sept. 2, 2010 at 11:32 a.m.
I used to use two mice, but now I just use a G9x. It's wired, which is a little bit of hassle, but it's also very accurate for everything I do. 
Nimeon Sept. 2, 2010 at 12:01 p.m.
I use one mouse, a new G500, for everything I do. Before this mouse, I used an MX518.
I also just got a new 17inch Razer mousepad after using the one that came with my computer for years.
dark1xon Sept. 2, 2010 at 12:20 p.m.
I've actually been using two mice and two keyboards for quite sometime now.  My situation is a bit different, however, in that my PC is used in two different rooms.  When redesigning my basement, I ran the necessary cables from the first floor office downstairs to be used with my home theater setup.  I created a custom wall plate which allowed me to run 7.1 audio, HDMI video, USB, and LAN from my primary desktop. 
 
Upstairs, where the machine sits, I have a 23" Samsung 1080p LCD attached along with business oriented wireless input devices.  In the basement, I've run the video to a Pioneer Kuro plasma and audio to my receiver.  I use a Razer Mamba and a Logitech diNovo for notebooks (as it's labeled).  I also have a 360 pad connected wirelessly.   
 
Essentially, this allows me to effortlessly use the system in both rooms.  As the screens are the same resolution, I never need to modify any video settings.  It's very convenient and allows the machine to serve dual purposes. 
 
The only connection difficult I had to overcome was USB.  USB cables are limited by length and my run was simply too much for it.  I discovered that one can connect nearly everything by simply using Cat5 cables.  No input lag issues are present and there is enough juice available to power any device I throw at it.  It's a beautiful thing!
Gspoonon Sept. 2, 2010 at 12:38 p.m.
@will said:
" I used to use two mice, but now I just use a G9x. It's wired, which is a little bit of hassle, but it's also very accurate for everything I do.  "
Hey Will have you ever tried the original G9?  
I just got a new G9 ($37) and I gave my old G9 to my brother . I couldn't justify the price increase just for the sake of the dpi improvements. I believe that thats the only difference between the two, right?
Gspoonon Sept. 2, 2010 at 12:38 p.m.
Does anyone have any recommendations for a good laptop mouse? 
I have been using a Logitech MX Revolution and it works great It is just bulky and doesn't really fit in my bag very well.
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