I thought the latest rumoured release date Phone 8 was something like 3 days after Windows 8 came so we should see a full reveal of the OS before that.
Announcements overall were fairly good. The 920 looks like a properly great piece of hardware without the weakness of a relatively low resolution screen when compared to the competition which was a problem for the 900 when put next to a Galaxy Nexus or One X. Most important thing about the wireless charging is thats its based on QI so you should be able to invest in chargers and know they'll be useful if you change your phone. Pureview tech was only half what made the 808 cool.
No real wow moments from the Phone 8 demo but I love how alive the OS is compared to iOS thanks to the Live Tiles and stuff like the lenses where apps can really tap into aspects of the OS.
I know I am kinda preaching to the choir here but, I don't understand the thinking that MS and Nokia burned/screwed Lumia 900/800 users, they never promised that the OS would be fully upgradeable because Windows 8 has new and better tech requirements like dual core cpu, nfc, and more ram. Its also running on a whole different kernel. The Lumia 900/800 was Nokia's first run with Microsoft tech and there was alot of time spent before the launch by Nokia getting those phones ready. Nokia has taken the time since that launch to expand on the Lumia with windows 8 and better tech inside the phone. They are innovating and revealing some pretty awesome phones in my opinion. If you bought a Lumia 900/800 you should have known what you where getting into because Nokia/ MS did not try to mislead you at all!
Will commented on twitter that wireless charging doesn't make up for the lack of apps, even tho this a really unoriginal statement I guess I kinda agree. However, Nokia is innovating and creating in my opinion amazing products which creates consumer interest, which leads to more phones being sold, that results in more Windows phone users which ends with more interest in developers and businesses creating apps for the windows ecosystem. Totally writing off Windows phones because they don't have your Bank's app is totally ludicrous and something a Apple fan boy would say.
I'm definitely picking up the 920 at launch, if the price is not completely astronomical. Probably going to pick up one of those charging stations as well, although they do seem like a bit of a novelty for now. I think that the varied color scheme is a great way for Nokia to differentiate itself from the competition. However that being said, I'm probably just going to "settle" for the white version. The N9 in white just looks absolutely gorgeous.
@BlatantNinja23: There's now word that Verizon will have multiple WP8 phones this year. I'd be shocked if the 920 wasn't one of them.
@bigsmoke77 said:
If you bought a Lumia 900/800 you should have known what you where getting into because Nokia/ MS did not try to mislead you at all!
They didn't advertise that, therefore most consumers probably didn't know that. They've sold millions of devices.
@isomeri: I'm guessing the 920 will be anywhere from 150 to 250 since it's a high end phone. Given there's only one storage option (32GB), I'd bet it'll be 200 on contract.
@Baconbot said:
It all looks really cool but I have to ask Nokia "WHERE IS THE CYAN?"
As for Apps, App support is a bummer but everything else about these phones and WP8 makes me have hope that MS/Nokia will be successful.
Agreed, the lack of cyan is a bit of a disappoint. As for apps, I think the similarities with Windows 8 as well as the code support improvements (apparently really easy to port from iOS now) will greatly increase the number of apps Windows Phone sees (assuming developers primarily on iOS want to port).
I'm really excited about the 920. I wish it came in Cyan, but I'll find a color I like when it comes time to buy. It's got the capacity I need, the resolution I want, it's got an apparently amazing camera; I'm sold.
Give me a price and release date, and then Nokia can shut up and take my money.
@Falcon: Seeing at how aggressive they were with pricing for the 900, I could see them pricing under premium Android phones and starting it at 150 as they did with the 900.
These are fucking gorgeous, but Nokia, you've fucked up again. No pricing nor release date details but Q4 2012. Now I'm going to forget all about these phones while Apple releases its phone next week. Even Motorola allows me to pre-order some of the phones it announced.
On a side note, if Nokia decides to continue its "The Smartphone Beta Test is Over" Campaign," I'll never buy its products.
@Evelgest: The release date thing is a Microsoft problem, not a Nokia one. Windows Phone 8 may not have even finalized yet. Samsung didn't announce any release information for the Ativ S either.
Also, buy products for what they are, not how they're advertised. It's not like a tv commercial affects the quality of a thing. If that were the case, Apple would be telling people that the iPhone helps fight crime and will solve world hunger.
It's kind of funny how people in the States always worry about carrier support etc. I'm so used to buying all my phones straight up with cash and then choosing the best carrier based on pricing etc. The Lumia 900 was priced at around 500 dollars here at launch, so I'm guessing the 920 will hit that same mark.
@Falcon: I didn't know about the code support. Interesting. Great work pulling all this information together.
Thanks duder. I should probably start working on some posts detailing all of the new stuff and the changes. There are a lot of under the hood sort of improvements.
@BlatantNinja23 said:
@Falcon said:
@BlatantNinja23: There's now word that Verizon will have multiple WP8 phones this year. I'd be shocked if the 920 wasn't one of them.
The confirmed bands the 920 has is a little scary.... maybe it'll just come later.
It's kind of funny how people in the States always worry about carrier support etc. I'm so used to buying all my phones straight up with cash and then choosing the best carrier based on pricing etc. The Lumia 900 was priced at around 500 dollars here at launch, so I'm guessing the 920 will hit that same mark.
Two different wireless standards are used in the US, so that's why it's a big deal. AT&T and T-Mobile use GSM, but Verizon and Sprint use CDMA.
@Falcon: Right, but this is essentially a flagship phone. Apple and Google have gotten this right. I guess Microsoft hasn't learned. Didn't Elop say something about shortening the time between announcement and release dates when he became CEO? What's the purpose of this partnership if the two companies can't set a firm release window?
@Evelgest: I doubt it's a problem of getting hardware made. Unlike Windows 8, we've never known the timetable for Windows Phone 8. I'm not saying it's not a problem, it's just one I don't care about. It's also something the majority of consumers aren't even aware of.
I just got a brief eyes-on of the new hardware at the re-opening of the Helsinki Nokia Store. Can't say much from looking at the phones behind a sheet of perspex. Some of the 820 back-covers apparently have a two-tone design. I saw at least one with a green-black design. Perhaps these are the wireless charging models. The 920 looks sleek and bright as you'd imagine.
The major new thing to me at least was seeing that the Fatboy charging cushions are just pillows for the standard Nokia wireless charging dongle. I don't know if these will be sold separately or if a charging dongle is included with every pillow.
@isomeri: It's likely all the commercials and pictures were shot before the hardware was final. Members of the press who got limited hands on this week have said that the Lumia 920's camera is pretty great based on what they've seen.
@isomeri: It's likely all the commercials and pictures were shot before the hardware was final. Members of the press who got limited hands on this week have said that the Lumia 920's camera is pretty great based on what they've seen.
I still feel deeply deceived by this. Even if the video and pictures were shot with the 920, using artificial lighting and tripods etc. is really fucked.
I'm still excited about the phone and believe that the camera will be rather good. They just shouldn't have lied to consumers like this.
@JamesRockley: Given the close relationship between Microsoft and Facebook, it'll be interesting to see if Instagram gets Facebook level of integration into Windows Phone somewhere down the line.
No prices announced. No dates announced. No carriers announced.
(Rumor - 920 on AT&T, November 2nd. Sounds about right.)
Windows Phone 8 devices coming to Verizon this year
Nokia Lumia 920
(pictures)
More on the camera, and the stats that matter.
Galaxy S III vs Lumia 920 video
Assuming this holds true, the Lumia 920 might have the best low light camera on a smartphone. Absolutely amazing.
Nokia Lumia 820
(pictures)
Joshua Topolsky over at The Verge attempts to grill Stephen Elop.
Engadget has a less intense conversation with Stephen.
Nokia Apps
New Windows Phone 8 features
Not everything was shown today. I've seen some speculate they won't show it all until BUILD, which doesn't take place until Oct 30 - Nov 2 this year.
Camera stuff
I thought the latest rumoured release date Phone 8 was something like 3 days after Windows 8 came so we should see a full reveal of the OS before that.
Announcements overall were fairly good. The 920 looks like a properly great piece of hardware without the weakness of a relatively low resolution screen when compared to the competition which was a problem for the 900 when put next to a Galaxy Nexus or One X. Most important thing about the wireless charging is thats its based on QI so you should be able to invest in chargers and know they'll be useful if you change your phone. Pureview tech was only half what made the 808 cool.
No real wow moments from the Phone 8 demo but I love how alive the OS is compared to iOS thanks to the Live Tiles and stuff like the lenses where apps can really tap into aspects of the OS.
If it comes to Verizon i'll pick up the 920
The nokia music stuff seems weird to me seeing that there is also xbox (zune) music.
I know I am kinda preaching to the choir here but, I don't understand the thinking that MS and Nokia burned/screwed Lumia 900/800 users, they never promised that the OS would be fully upgradeable because Windows 8 has new and better tech requirements like dual core cpu, nfc, and more ram. Its also running on a whole different kernel. The Lumia 900/800 was Nokia's first run with Microsoft tech and there was alot of time spent before the launch by Nokia getting those phones ready. Nokia has taken the time since that launch to expand on the Lumia with windows 8 and better tech inside the phone. They are innovating and revealing some pretty awesome phones in my opinion. If you bought a Lumia 900/800 you should have known what you where getting into because Nokia/ MS did not try to mislead you at all!
Will commented on twitter that wireless charging doesn't make up for the lack of apps, even tho this a really unoriginal statement I guess I kinda agree. However, Nokia is innovating and creating in my opinion amazing products which creates consumer interest, which leads to more phones being sold, that results in more Windows phone users which ends with more interest in developers and businesses creating apps for the windows ecosystem. Totally writing off Windows phones because they don't have your Bank's app is totally ludicrous and something a Apple fan boy would say.
I'm definitely picking up the 920 at launch, if the price is not completely astronomical. Probably going to pick up one of those charging stations as well, although they do seem like a bit of a novelty for now. I think that the varied color scheme is a great way for Nokia to differentiate itself from the competition. However that being said, I'm probably just going to "settle" for the white version. The N9 in white just looks absolutely gorgeous.
It all looks really cool but I have to ask Nokia "WHERE IS THE CYAN?"
As for Apps, App support is a bummer but everything else about these phones and WP8 makes me have hope that MS/Nokia will be successful.
I'll definitely get one of the two....if they come out on TMobile
Wow, those are fucking gorgeous. Really like the physical design a lot. Black on yellow is NEVER NOT GOOD.
Nobody mentioned the most exciting feature. You can use the phone while wearing mittens!
Can't wait to get one of theses!
@BlatantNinja23: There's now word that Verizon will have multiple WP8 phones this year. I'd be shocked if the 920 wasn't one of them.
@bigsmoke77 said:
They didn't advertise that, therefore most consumers probably didn't know that. They've sold millions of devices.
@isomeri: I'm guessing the 920 will be anywhere from 150 to 250 since it's a high end phone. Given there's only one storage option (32GB), I'd bet it'll be 200 on contract.
@Baconbot said:
Agreed, the lack of cyan is a bit of a disappoint. As for apps, I think the similarities with Windows 8 as well as the code support improvements (apparently really easy to port from iOS now) will greatly increase the number of apps Windows Phone sees (assuming developers primarily on iOS want to port).
I'm really excited about the 920. I wish it came in Cyan, but I'll find a color I like when it comes time to buy. It's got the capacity I need, the resolution I want, it's got an apparently amazing camera; I'm sold.
Give me a price and release date, and then Nokia can shut up and take my money.
@Falcon: Seeing at how aggressive they were with pricing for the 900, I could see them pricing under premium Android phones and starting it at 150 as they did with the 900.
These are fucking gorgeous, but Nokia, you've fucked up again. No pricing nor release date details but Q4 2012. Now I'm going to forget all about these phones while Apple releases its phone next week. Even Motorola allows me to pre-order some of the phones it announced.
On a side note, if Nokia decides to continue its "The Smartphone Beta Test is Over" Campaign," I'll never buy its products.
@Evelgest: The release date thing is a Microsoft problem, not a Nokia one. Windows Phone 8 may not have even finalized yet. Samsung didn't announce any release information for the Ativ S either.
Also, buy products for what they are, not how they're advertised. It's not like a tv commercial affects the quality of a thing. If that were the case, Apple would be telling people that the iPhone helps fight crime and will solve world hunger.
@Falcon: I didn't know about the code support. Interesting. Great work pulling all this information together.
@Falcon said:
The confirmed bands the 920 has is a little scary.... maybe it'll just come later.
It's kind of funny how people in the States always worry about carrier support etc. I'm so used to buying all my phones straight up with cash and then choosing the best carrier based on pricing etc. The Lumia 900 was priced at around 500 dollars here at launch, so I'm guessing the 920 will hit that same mark.
@Baconbot said:
Thanks duder. I should probably start working on some posts detailing all of the new stuff and the changes. There are a lot of under the hood sort of improvements.
@BlatantNinja23 said:
Latest rumor is that the Lumia 820 is coming to Verizon, and possible an HTC phone.
@isomeri said:
Two different wireless standards are used in the US, so that's why it's a big deal. AT&T and T-Mobile use GSM, but Verizon and Sprint use CDMA.
@Falcon: Right, but this is essentially a flagship phone. Apple and Google have gotten this right. I guess Microsoft hasn't learned. Didn't Elop say something about shortening the time between announcement and release dates when he became CEO? What's the purpose of this partnership if the two companies can't set a firm release window?
@Evelgest: I doubt it's a problem of getting hardware made. Unlike Windows 8, we've never known the timetable for Windows Phone 8. I'm not saying it's not a problem, it's just one I don't care about. It's also something the majority of consumers aren't even aware of.
I just got a brief eyes-on of the new hardware at the re-opening of the Helsinki Nokia Store. Can't say much from looking at the phones behind a sheet of perspex. Some of the 820 back-covers apparently have a two-tone design. I saw at least one with a green-black design. Perhaps these are the wireless charging models. The 920 looks sleek and bright as you'd imagine.
The major new thing to me at least was seeing that the Fatboy charging cushions are just pillows for the standard Nokia wireless charging dongle. I don't know if these will be sold separately or if a charging dongle is included with every pillow.
Sadly, those videos were not the only ones which got a bit of "technical help" http://pics.kuvaton.com/kuvei/nokia_lumia.jpg
@isomeri: It's likely all the commercials and pictures were shot before the hardware was final. Members of the press who got limited hands on this week have said that the Lumia 920's camera is pretty great based on what they've seen.
I think the Lumia 920 looks like a fantastic phone.
@Falcon said:
I still feel deeply deceived by this. Even if the video and pictures were shot with the 920, using artificial lighting and tripods etc. is really fucked.
I'm still excited about the phone and believe that the camera will be rather good. They just shouldn't have lied to consumers like this.
@isomeri: Implying Nokia is the first company to ever fudge their product's abilities in advertising. But at least what Nokia has shown is based in reality, unlike some companies who are in lala land.
@Falcon said:
The "others do it too" excuse is a pretty lame one. Of course nearly every company uses misleading advertising. The point is not to get caught :D
Instagram spotted in this ad: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lN-NaHcOeII
@JamesRockley: Given the close relationship between Microsoft and Facebook, it'll be interesting to see if Instagram gets Facebook level of integration into Windows Phone somewhere down the line.